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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164796997" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> matklad <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164796997">(May 03 2019 at 14:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>Aren't we supposed to have a streering meeting right now?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164797010" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164797010">(May 03 2019 at 14:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>I thought so too!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164797025" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164797025">(May 03 2019 at 14:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>It's on the compiler team calendar</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164797027" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164797027">(May 03 2019 at 14:09)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> doesn't seem to be around</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164797163" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164797163">(May 03 2019 at 14:10)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="133169">@matklad</span> I realized today that I screwed up by not focusing on choice of allocation, btw, in my writeup. I think allocation scheme, and whether in-place mutation ever happens, is super important. I guess the "mutable visitor" change shook me too much</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164797325" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164797325">(May 03 2019 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>Maybe I should drive. Let me get to a laptop</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164797378" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164797378">(May 03 2019 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>how much do you like minutia of parsing and ASTs?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164797386" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164797386">(May 03 2019 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>i didn't think that was topic today?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164797467" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> matklad <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164797467">(May 03 2019 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>created <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/mem-management.20of.20syntax.20trees/near/164797396" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/mem-management.20of.20syntax.20trees/near/164797396">https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com/#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/mem-management.20of.20syntax.20trees/near/164797396</a> for this offtopic</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164797486" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164797486">(May 03 2019 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>what _was_ the topic today? :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164797498" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164797498">(May 03 2019 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>in particular, I thought topic was based on: <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/pre-steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03/near/164555548" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/pre-steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03/near/164555548">https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com/#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/pre-steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03/near/164555548</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164797526" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164797526">(May 03 2019 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>namely, reviewing the design meeting process</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164797543" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164797543">(May 03 2019 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>see also: <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/blob/master/procedures/steering-meeting.md" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/blob/master/procedures/steering-meeting.md">https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/blob/master/procedures/steering-meeting.md</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164797565" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164797565">(May 03 2019 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> so, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> split my proposal topic out of that topic into the "AST/parsing etc." one</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164797588" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164797588">(May 03 2019 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>but this week being meta seems fine</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164797610" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164797610">(May 03 2019 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's not like my proposal is anything but half-written anyway</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164797613" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164797613">(May 03 2019 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>right. <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> also said that the meta stuff may not take up the whole slot</p>



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<p>so lets maybe get meta stuff out of the way first</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164797723" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164797723">(May 03 2019 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>as you can see from the <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/blob/master/procedures/steering-meeting.md" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/blob/master/procedures/steering-meeting.md">steering-meeting.md</a>, the intention is to keep a four-week cyclic rhythm</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164797755" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164797755">(May 03 2019 at 14:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>where the first week is planning for the next three weeks, and the fourth week is always reserved for a non-technical discussion</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164797866" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164797866">(May 03 2019 at 14:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>one detail here is that, from <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/blob/master/procedures/steering-meeting.md#adding-a-proposal" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/blob/master/procedures/steering-meeting.md#adding-a-proposal">steering-meeting.md</a>, I infer that we'd prefer more structure than just shooting off ideas in this chat room</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164797886" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164797886">(May 03 2019 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>namely, there's a hope that actual meeting proposals will have a PR that adds a corresponding file in the <code>proposals/</code> directory</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164797932" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164797932">(May 03 2019 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I'm not sure if that's meant to be a pre-req before any sort of discussion at the meeting?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164797936" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164797936">(May 03 2019 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess it is</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164797942" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164797942">(May 03 2019 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think it is</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164797948" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164797948">(May 03 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798010" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798010">(May 03 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me looks to see if there are any files/PRs that correspond to such proposals</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798012" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798012">(May 03 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think this will be interesting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798023" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798023">(May 03 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>I talked to <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> and he said he'd be fine with issues or other documents (Dropbox paper/hackmd), since I think merging a file into a shared repo seems a bit much to me</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798026" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798026">(May 03 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>RFCs have turned out to be too heavyweight for this kind of thing</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798035" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798035">(May 03 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>/me looks to see if there are any files/PRs that correspond to such proposals</p>
</blockquote>
<p>(answer appears to be "no")</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798044" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798044">(May 03 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I agree on having a prepared proposal of some sort</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798048" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798048">(May 03 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't mind there being other formats</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798063" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798063">(May 03 2019 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>but we do need a central way to at least gather them</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798072" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798072">(May 03 2019 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>right?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798082" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798082">(May 03 2019 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>I wish you could just link something like hackmd with github better</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798086" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798086">(May 03 2019 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>other than a link in an issue</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798111" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798111">(May 03 2019 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>or maybe we discuss proposals in our own forks?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798122" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798122">(May 03 2019 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>and merge them when we want to commit to them</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798166" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798166">(May 03 2019 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe this meeting <em>is</em> the central gathering point ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798185" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798185">(May 03 2019 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>e.g. once you have something written up, you post it here</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798194" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798194">(May 03 2019 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah I suppose we can do whatever, and then put it into the compiler-team repo if accepted</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798199" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798199">(May 03 2019 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>especially so everyone can see the plan</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798203" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798203">(May 03 2019 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>that makes as much sense as anything else, as long as the content at the links remains live long enough for it to be copied over</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798229" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798229">(May 03 2019 at 14:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>this would partly replace the scattering of issues we create for various things medium/long-term plans, in rust-lang/rust</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798236" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798236">(May 03 2019 at 14:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>Does anyone see a flaw in that approach? Seem lightweight enough</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798243" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798243">(May 03 2019 at 14:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>(of which some of them <em>cough</em> promptly get forgotten <em>cough</em>)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798255" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798255">(May 03 2019 at 14:23)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>(of which some of them <em>cough</em> promptly get forgotten <em>cough</em>)</p>
</blockquote>
<p>by design, right? ;)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798314" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798314">(May 03 2019 at 14:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay, well this sounds fine to me.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798327" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798327">(May 03 2019 at 14:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>I had originally thought that this meeting might represent week 1 of a four week cycle</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798330" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798330">(May 03 2019 at 14:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I don't think that is fair</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798337" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798337">(May 03 2019 at 14:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>in that there hasn't been enough time for anyone to prepare anything reasonable</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798349" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798349">(May 03 2019 at 14:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>so maybe we can say that <em>next week</em> <strong>will</strong> be week 1 of our first four week cycle?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798485" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798485">(May 03 2019 at 14:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>we could spend the remainder of the time slot: 1. debating other aspects of <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/blob/master/procedures/steering-meeting.md" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/blob/master/procedures/steering-meeting.md">steering-meeting.md</a>, or 2. debating what topics for which people might consider writing up proposals, or 3. diving into whatever <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="119009">@eddyb</span>  was mentioning above, or 4. ending the meeting early ... ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798498" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798498">(May 03 2019 at 14:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>(feel free to suggest other options in that enum)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798550" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798550">(May 03 2019 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>WOW, GitHub get on this level</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798566" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798566">(May 03 2019 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>did ... did eddyb just see something they liked about zulip ... ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798628" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798628">(May 03 2019 at 14:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>Discord also allows it so it's not unique :P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798636" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798636">(May 03 2019 at 14:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>I just forgot unicode had emojis for numbers</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798672" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798672">(May 03 2019 at 14:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay, lets maybe spend some time brainstorming about potential proposals that people might want to write up[</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798691" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798691">(May 03 2019 at 14:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>and maybe interested parties can then collaborate, if they want, on a shared propoisal</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798822" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798822">(May 03 2019 at 14:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>so lets see: there's the future of the rust AST and/or parser ... <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="119009">@eddyb</span> has previously linked this doc <a href="https://hackmd.io/zrZhb94HS6KxW3sguwXNqA" target="_blank" title="https://hackmd.io/zrZhb94HS6KxW3sguwXNqA">https://hackmd.io/zrZhb94HS6KxW3sguwXNqA</a></p>



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<p>I have two lines of somewhat-related proposals:</p>
<ul>
<li>AST-related/incremental expansion/other related things (<span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> just linked my beginning of a write-up)</li>
<li>"Def layer", a way to uniformize how the compiler understands "definitions" aka things with a DefId, for better incremental and multi-crate sessions (I've only made some diagrams yet, still need to write it up)</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164798912" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164798912">(May 03 2019 at 14:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>there are MIR things that could be proposed but I don't think I can get into a MIR (re)design any time soon</p>



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<p>As a non-tech proposal: i think <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> and <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> would both like for us to revisit our prioritization/labelling scheme</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164799028" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164799028">(May 03 2019 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span>  would also like for us to at some point talk about how effort fixing bugs is actually distributed/assigned/tracked</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164799138" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164799138">(May 03 2019 at 14:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>(the latter may well tie into the former; perhaps a unified proposal would be best there)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164799268" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164799268">(May 03 2019 at 14:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>we should maybe make it easier for people who are familiar with relevant parts of the implementation to give useful suggestions. "mentoring" doesn't feel ideal for this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164799294" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164799294">(May 03 2019 at 14:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>suggestions for either diagnosing or fixing a certain bug, that is</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164799306" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164799306">(May 03 2019 at 14:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>ah you mean in terms of assigning work? yes.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164799422" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164799422">(May 03 2019 at 14:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>(in particular, writing up mentoring for fixing a bug has often appeared to me like it would require as much or more work as just fixing it)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164799425" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164799425">(May 03 2019 at 14:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>there is a sliding scale from being able to utter a couple nouns and them knowing how to go from there, all the way to linking to parts of the code with detailed explanations</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164799465" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164799465">(May 03 2019 at 14:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>this is tricky even knowing who will actually work on it, let alone if you're doing it ahead of time</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164799485" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164799485">(May 03 2019 at 14:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>actually, the interesting thing there about that sliding scale</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164799530" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164799530">(May 03 2019 at 14:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>is that the people with the most knowledge may, via uttering those words, give enough hints to people in the middle that the person in a middle could then assist a beginner, pair-programming style.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164799617" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164799617">(May 03 2019 at 14:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>but that's just a hypothetical, and probably assumes both more people and more person-hours than we actually have available.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164799623" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164799623">(May 03 2019 at 14:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh noes are we creating NetBurst for mentoring?!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164799702" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164799702">(May 03 2019 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>Regarding other potential tech proposals: does anyone have any genius ideas for reducing memory pressure in rustc? I think at some point the idea was floated of simply restricting the number of codegen-units  ...</p>



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<p>yes but you won't like it :P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164799801" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164799801">(May 03 2019 at 14:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>configurable limit for in-memory persistence of GC'd objects</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164799835" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164799835">(May 03 2019 at 14:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>a more down-to-earth proposal would be file-backed arenas, that we are careful to avoid disk IO on if there is enough RAM</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164799865" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164799865">(May 03 2019 at 14:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>this is how I see single-session whole-crate-DAG compilation playing out long-term</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164799937" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164799937">(May 03 2019 at 14:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>and a similar threshold for disk usage, discarding the "least important to persist queries" first</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164799993" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164799993">(May 03 2019 at 14:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>Cargo really needs to do similar GC to <code>git</code>, I think right now you can just end up with year-old versions of libraries just sitting around, with different hashes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800001" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800001">(May 03 2019 at 14:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay yes disk usage pressure is also an issue</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800007" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800007">(May 03 2019 at 14:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>but its arguably a separate one</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800013" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800013">(May 03 2019 at 14:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>so I don't have any idea better than "configurable age/size limits"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800022" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800022">(May 03 2019 at 14:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>since I think people are somewhat more willing/able to blow away build artifacts</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800072" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800072">(May 03 2019 at 14:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>in response to disk usage pressure</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800090" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800090">(May 03 2019 at 14:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>btw we can do "less relevant queries" relatively cheaply</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800095" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800095">(May 03 2019 at 14:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>versus being basically unable to do anything, as users, in response to memory pressure.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800110" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800110">(May 03 2019 at 14:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>and maybe even track "usefulness" of queries without a huge perf hit</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800133" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800133">(May 03 2019 at 14:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>I doubt we can implement a full adaptive caching algorithm, but we can at least approximate one</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800181" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800181">(May 03 2019 at 14:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay. there might be interesting fruit here</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800185" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800185">(May 03 2019 at 14:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>and queries that are not "properties of a definition", especially those that are cheap to recompute, we could throw away relatively easily, in response to memory pressure</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800198" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800198">(May 03 2019 at 14:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>well, arena-allocating everything makes it hard to actually reduce the memory usage of doing so</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800201" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800201">(May 03 2019 at 14:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>i'm a little worried that right now this meeting is playing out mostly like a conversation between <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="119009">@eddyb</span>  and <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800262" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800262">(May 03 2019 at 14:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>i mean, that's not the worst thing in the world</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800265" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800265">(May 03 2019 at 14:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>but file-backing means you <em>could</em> tell the OS to unload those pages from memory</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800282" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800282">(May 03 2019 at 14:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>actually, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116466">@Zoxc</span> should be in here, yeah</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800285" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800285">(May 03 2019 at 14:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I want to take a moment and see if anyone else has other topics they've had in the back of their mind that they might like to champion for a future steering meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800295" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800295">(May 03 2019 at 14:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh man</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800307" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800307">(May 03 2019 at 14:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>did we not ping <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="897">@T-compiler/meeting</span> at the start ... ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800310" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800310">(May 03 2019 at 14:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>ahahahaha</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800322" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800322">(May 03 2019 at 14:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me scrolls</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800327" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800327">(May 03 2019 at 14:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah since we weren't sure what was happening, without <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> here</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800336" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800336">(May 03 2019 at 14:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>what a fail on my part</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800355" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800355">(May 03 2019 at 14:47)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> btw, if nothing else happens, and you have the time, I could walk you through the AST stuff (if you're curious)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800366" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800366">(May 03 2019 at 14:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe write a better proposal based on that, etc.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800411" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800411">(May 03 2019 at 14:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I don't actually have the time; I have a hard limit to leave in 12 minutes)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800420" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> qmx <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800420">(May 03 2019 at 14:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's fine, at least we can read the backlog</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800421" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> qmx <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800421">(May 03 2019 at 14:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>:)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800439" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800439">(May 03 2019 at 14:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>the good news is, since we aren't starting the four week cycle this week, but rather next week</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800444" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800444">(May 03 2019 at 14:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>its not a disaster if a bunch of people missed this meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800465" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800465">(May 03 2019 at 14:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>just as long as we asynchronously do get <em>some</em> number of proposals up by next week</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800475" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800475">(May 03 2019 at 14:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>fwiw I have a headache right now, so not having to explain my incomplete proposal would be fine :P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800494" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800494">(May 03 2019 at 14:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>and the other detail there is that writing up the proposals is itself a task</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800498" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800498">(May 03 2019 at 14:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>I should maybe wrap up other things, so I can focus on it more soon</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800565" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800565">(May 03 2019 at 14:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>(as well as even thinking of whatever is being proposed, of course)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800583" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800583">(May 03 2019 at 14:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>since I have a personal stake in the priorization/labelling/work-assignment non-tech issue</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800595" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800595">(May 03 2019 at 14:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>wait I'm not sure I'll be able to attend next week, there's an overlap I forgot about</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800614" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800614">(May 03 2019 at 14:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>its probably sensible that I champion (and potentially author) a proposal there.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800624" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800624">(May 03 2019 at 14:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe we should let everyone else have a go first, and I'll try to be present from my phone</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800647" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800647">(May 03 2019 at 14:51)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>maybe we should let everyone else have a go first, and I'll try to be present from my phone</p>
</blockquote>
<p>by this, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="119009">@eddyb</span> , do you mean that you would not plan to have any proposals for next week's meeting?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800657" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800657">(May 03 2019 at 14:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>Argh argh my apologies -- I was dragging away by something here that kept me AFK for far longer than I expected, and I faile to make it back in time for meeting.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800660" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800660">(May 03 2019 at 14:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>I will however re-read the minutes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800706" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800706">(May 03 2019 at 14:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>and so if no one takes up the torch to author one (or champion something you authored), you're willing to wait four weeks for the next planning meeting?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800722" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Zoxc <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800722">(May 03 2019 at 14:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'd bring up my chain of PRs which makes progress on end to end queries - <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/59904" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/59904">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/59904</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800752" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800752">(May 03 2019 at 14:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>Maybe it would be a good idea to try to have any proposals available by Thursday? That way people have a chance to read the proposal and prepare questions rather than spend meeting time reading the proposal.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800760" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800760">(May 03 2019 at 14:53)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116466">@Zoxc</span> great, .that ... definitely is a linked list implemented via github PR's.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800788" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800788">(May 03 2019 at 14:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>I do think it would be <em>good</em> for proposals to be ready by thursday</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800794" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800794">(May 03 2019 at 14:53)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116466">@Zoxc</span> oh right! that's great and I could build on that for my own proposals :D</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800811" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800811">(May 03 2019 at 14:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't know whether it will be reasonable to make it a hard requirement that they be posted by thursday</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800829" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800829">(May 03 2019 at 14:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>especially since, as noted above</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800834" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800834">(May 03 2019 at 14:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>we don't <strong>have</strong> a common indexing method</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800840" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800840">(May 03 2019 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>since some of them are mostly "what deep changes do we need to make to push this even futher"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800883" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800883">(May 03 2019 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>apart from the meeting itself</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800894" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800894">(May 03 2019 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I think we should not have the meeting be the way)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800917" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800917">(May 03 2019 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> but you also are not opposed to other proposal formats</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800918" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800918">(May 03 2019 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'd rather have opening issues and tagging with a label, or adding to a central doc, or something</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800926" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800926">(May 03 2019 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah, I agree that a file in repo is maybe too heavy weight</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800930" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800930">(May 03 2019 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me tried to <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850/near/164798063" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850/near/164798063">say this at the top</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800939" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800939">(May 03 2019 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>I just think there's value in having a place people can go beforehand to read up</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800947" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800947">(May 03 2019 at 14:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>(that we needed a central index of some form, even if it is just the issue/PR list)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800952" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800952">(May 03 2019 at 14:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>and also persisting from week to week</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800971" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800971">(May 03 2019 at 14:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>My hope is that these proposals can "accumulate" during the 4 weeks</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164800997" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164800997">(May 03 2019 at 14:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>(sorry for jumping in the middle!!)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801031" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801031">(May 03 2019 at 14:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>Why not just have issues on compiler-team repo tagged with a label and a link to a hackmd/gist/whatever document?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801035" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801035">(May 03 2019 at 14:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>Seems pretty light-weight</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801098" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801098">(May 03 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>its no problem as long as everyone's aware of it and follows through</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801099" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801099">(May 03 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I wasn't wild about issues because I didn't want a bunch of commentary to accumulate there but we could try it)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801113" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801113">(May 03 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe we can as a rule, lock the issues?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801120" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801120">(May 03 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>(or is that too heavy handed?)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801141" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801141">(May 03 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>maybe we can as a rule, lock the issues?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I was going to suggest it :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801144" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801144">(May 03 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>heh that is <em>kinda</em> neat?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801150" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801150">(May 03 2019 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>I like to lock + link to a zulip thread</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801164" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801164">(May 03 2019 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>basically we don't want a repeat of the overwhelming RFC thread issues</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801170" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801170">(May 03 2019 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>but it doesn't matter really ;)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801176" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801176">(May 03 2019 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>or maybe have a single issue or "GitHub Project" to track them</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801191" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801191">(May 03 2019 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>Let's try issues to start, I'll make a label like "Meeting Proposal"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801194" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801194">(May 03 2019 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>actually, what does that stuff look like now? the "kanban" or w/e style thing</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801210" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801210">(May 03 2019 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me goes to google yet more terminology</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801216" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801216">(May 03 2019 at 14:58)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/projects" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/projects">https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/projects</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801218" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801218">(May 03 2019 at 14:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>we can add a github project on top of that? I'm not quite sure what the columns etc would be, but that could be useful</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801280" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801280">(May 03 2019 at 14:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>I mean, if we're just doing links</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801293" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801293">(May 03 2019 at 14:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>this could be a neat place to store them</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801304" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801304">(May 03 2019 at 14:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>can anybody add cards?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801316" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801316">(May 03 2019 at 14:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>I object to having the links be the permanent record</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801321" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801321">(May 03 2019 at 14:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think it's similar to creating an issue</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801324" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801324">(May 03 2019 at 14:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>its fine for initial draft</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801340" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801340">(May 03 2019 at 14:58)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> this is assuming that once something is accepted we merge it into the repo</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801348" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801348">(May 03 2019 at 14:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>like, full  text</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801350" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801350">(May 03 2019 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was imagining that the issue comments <em>would</em> have a purpose, just noit general disussion</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801354" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801354">(May 03 2019 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>but at the latest, post discussion, it shoudl be transcribed. Yes, okay, that.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801367" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801367">(May 03 2019 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>more like a blog: minutes/updates</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801373" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801373">(May 03 2019 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh that is fair</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801376" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801376">(May 03 2019 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>one thing I can imagine for example is</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801380" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801380">(May 03 2019 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>that in a planning meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801388" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801388">(May 03 2019 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>so then we can just use locked issues</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801391" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801391">(May 03 2019 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>we might say something like "We like this ide but can you add X, Y , and Z to the proposal"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801396" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801396">(May 03 2019 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>(and that could be a useful thing to use comments for)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801397" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801397">(May 03 2019 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me is going to hand off driving the meeting to <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801403" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801403">(May 03 2019 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>sorry, I'm feeling terrible about being late <span aria-label="embarrassed" class="emoji emoji-1f633" role="img" title="embarrassed">:embarrassed:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801408" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801408">(May 03 2019 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>(in case people decide to continue after the end time)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801410" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801410">(May 03 2019 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>we can use hackmd/gist comments for transient discussion</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801489" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801489">(May 03 2019 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>seems fine</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801496" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801496">(May 03 2019 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok, so how about this:</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801500" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801500">(May 03 2019 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'll edit the proposal to make a simple issue template</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801501" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801501">(May 03 2019 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>(and add it to the repo)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801508" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801508">(May 03 2019 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>and we'll lock issues that are meeting proposals (and tag them)</p>



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<p>(actually I have to go to another meeting too)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164801665" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164801665">(May 03 2019 at 15:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>but <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="119009">@eddyb</span> and others, open issues for next time and we;l figure out the details later?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164803234" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164803234">(May 03 2019 at 15:21)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> oops I forgot to make sure you saw this: I likely won't be able to present anything next week due to a scheduling overlap I missed because I expected more will happen this week</p>



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<p>OK, well let's discuss.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164803668" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164803668">(May 03 2019 at 15:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>You don't necessarily have to be present, and maybe we'll want to do the first meeting later, or whatever</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164803677" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164803677">(May 03 2019 at 15:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'll try to write-up a quick gh template in the meantime, with an aim to be lightweight</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164804713" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164804713">(May 03 2019 at 15:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>if I propose anything for next week, it will be reverting <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/58061" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/58061">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/58061</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164804736" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164804736">(May 03 2019 at 15:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>since I think I can argue for that without an extensive look into what we might want to do in the future</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.05.03%20%2358850/near/164804742" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E05.2E03.20.2358850.html#164804742">(May 03 2019 at 15:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's mostly "mutation is a dead-end and it ties our hands in the name of performance"</p>



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<p><span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="897">@T-compiler/meeting</span>  It occurs to me that we should make a summary of today's meeting -- anybody up to give that a try?</p>



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<p>Also, I've created <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/79" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/79">https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/79</a> which I think matches what we said.</p>



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